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Title: Why did so many Edmonton fans hate Maciocia with such passion?
Post by: Ravi Ramkissoonsingh on August 01, 2010, 10:02:43 AM
Maciocia definitely had his struggles in Edmonton in recent years but his first four years there as offensive coordinator and then as head coach were very successful ones.  I just read an Edmonton Journal article in which Maciocia asked a number of rhetorical questions about why the majority of Edmonton fans never took to him.  One of the questions that caught my eye was, "Is it because of where I am from"?

Did a vocal minority of Edmonton fans not like Maciocia because he was from Montreal and/or the province of Quebec?  I think that the majority of any fan base would be above such thinking and I believe that to be the case in Edmonton but was that part of the reason that he was never really accepted in Edmonton by a vocal minority at least?

I can understand the frustration of Edmonton fans with Maciocia since 2006 but he never really seemed to even endear himself to a decent number of those fans prior to that even though he was very successful from '02 to '05.
Title: Re: Why did so many Edmonton fans hate Maciocia with such passion?
Post by: Hambone on August 03, 2010, 10:54:46 AM
Did a vocal minority of Edmonton fans not like Maciocia because he was from Montreal and/or the province of Quebec?  I think that the majority of any fan base would be above such thinking and I believe that to be the case in Edmonton but was that part of the reason that he was never really accepted in Edmonton by a vocal minority at least?

Usually in every fan site there's some sort of wingnut who is capable of spouting off at the keys with goofball rhetoric like that Ravi. As a semi-frequent lurker in Esksfans' website I've witnessed no lack of vindictiveness towards Maciocia but I don't ever recall anybody using the Q-card.
Title: Re: Why did so many Edmonton fans hate Maciocia with such passion?
Post by: Ravi Ramkissoonsingh on August 03, 2010, 02:00:11 PM
Did a vocal minority of Edmonton fans not like Maciocia because he was from Montreal and/or the province of Quebec?  I think that the majority of any fan base would be above such thinking and I believe that to be the case in Edmonton but was that part of the reason that he was never really accepted in Edmonton by a vocal minority at least?

Usually in every fan site there's some sort of wingnut who is capable of spouting off at the keys with goofball rhetoric like that Ravi. As a semi-frequent lurker in Esksfans' website I've witnessed no lack of vindictiveness towards Maciocia but I don't ever recall anybody using the Q-card.

I haven't seen that on there either and I only ask the question because Maciocia himself brought it up.
Title: Re: Why did so many Edmonton fans hate Maciocia with such passion?
Post by: Green is the Colour on August 03, 2010, 03:41:06 PM
One might draw a comparison to Roy Shivers being fired in Regina.  He played the race card and there was certainly no evidence of that ever being the issue.  Roy did arrive in town with that chip on his shoulder, though, so perhaps it's not a good comparison given that he brought it up again on the way out.
Title: Re: Why did so many Edmonton fans hate Maciocia with such passion?
Post by: GreatWhiteNorth on August 10, 2010, 09:28:55 PM
The best explanation I can offer up is twofold.  1) He didn't look and act the part of the "football guy", and 2) He was at the helm when the streak ended and the first real futility in more than three decades ensued.  In most cases it's somewhat of a combination of the two, with the more rational, logical fans focused on the latter, and the wingnuts (and there are many) stuck on the former.  I've heard everything from his gum-chewing, his premature celebration at the 2005 GC, his stature, his facial expressions... you know, perfectly acceptable "book by it's cover" BS.

Why I feel the fans SHOULD'VE embraced him more...

1) The guy was like most of us here... not blessed with the physical tools to play football at a high level, but in love with the game.  We talk about it, whereas he went out and lived it, working his way into CFL circles as a volunteer, then asst coach, HC, Dir of PP and finally GM.  It could be argued he was promoted too quickly, but I still maintain that on some level we should've been pulling for him as one of us rather than rallying against him.

2) He learned to be an Eskimo.  Heck, he had Dan Kepley at his family's dinner table 4+ nights a week.  He'd actually considered purchasing Kep's locker for his kitchen when they were up for sale, but held back because he didn't want to bid it up against Eskinator and True-42.  You don't hang out with that kind of company, living and breathing football and hearing the stories of how things were done without picking up the gist of things.  Folks like Dunigan question whether he was ever an Eskimo, and to my thinking it strips away every bit of meaning from the slogan they hold so sacred... "Once an Eskimo, Always an Eskimo".

3) He was everything you could've asked for in the community.  Charity work, making a home for himself and his family.  He was accessible, friendly and could often be spotted down in Little Italy having an Espresso.

Unfortunately, none of those things have any mention of W's and L's.  I still maintain that 3 years is a realistic timeline for rebuilding a team, but a 3 year rebuild isn't something that most Edmonton fans have seen before... that's what other teams go through, we just reload, right?  2006 - no playoffs, 2007 - no playoffs, 2008 - crossover, 2009 - 3rd place (and spitting distance of the front-runners).  2010 saw them pretty well-regarded by many of the talking heads entering the season, but obviously there is something missing.  I'm not sure that it's talent, but whatever it is, it was likely time to make a change.  I don't have any belief that this change will be one that actually turns around the season... it's more about impacting the direction next year and beyond... but it's likely something that had to be done.